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Friday, July 27, 2007

An Unlikely Civil War

The blogger Mr Smith has pointed out a number of posts from Paul Weston, who he describes as a 'social commentator'. What caught my eye most was the two posts entitled 'Is European Civil War Inevitable by 2025?' The article, in reality, is ruminations by Weston on demographics and the ubiquity of violence in states with large Muslims populations.

Obviously, I am well aware of the arguments about demographics; I have read Pat Buchanan’s Death of the West and I used to lap up plenty of Mark Steyn’s doom-laden columns, in years gone by. And I certainly can see the validity of the argument - inward Islamic immigration continues unabated, whilst 'white flight' is a well documented phenomenon.

However, I think that extrapolating short term trends over a long period of time, is risky territory. Weston seems to believe that there will be a violent reaction to one terrorist attack too many. Is that realistic? I can forsee more and more people angered by terrorism, certainly, but their likely reaction will be to agitate for strict Islamic immigration restrictions and against the building of 'Mega Mosques', both policies that would postpone, or even stop, 'Islamification'.

There are also a couple of other tenuous arguments within the article.

Even if we agree with Weston's demographic argument, the 5 to 1 ratio is over the whole of Europe. Yet, this is likely to mean that in a country like France the ratio will be high, in many other countries in Europe the ratio will be low. Will the hopelessly outnumbered Muslim populations in these countries rise up in support of Sharia too? They will need to, if the thesis is correct, because it will require a massive sectarian conflict, like that in Iraq, to really render the Police and Army useless. Again, this all seems highly unlikely to myself.

There is, however, a killer section in the article, which I will reproduce here:
In France the politicians promise more money for the banlieus, within which Sharia law operates and no white European dare set foot. In Spain they gathered in squares after the Madrid train bombing and held candle-lit peace vigils, before voting out their Government and replacing it with one more in tune to the Islamists demands. In Holland, the Dutch justice minister, Piet Hein Donner has no objection to Sharia law being imposed, providing it is done democratically, and in Sweden, integration minister Jens Orback declared: “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”

After the London tube bombings, the government’s immediate response was to worry not about the English, but about the terrible oppression the perpetrators must have suffered from in order to commit such a crime. Much to our rulers dismay, the “fabulous four” were educated and middle class; their drive was Islam, not oppression.
Weston has it on the submissive aspects of the governments of Western Europe, and the simple fact is that it far easier for Muslims to work within the current policial framework, extracting concessions, if they desire an Islam dominated future. In short, the obsession with minority interests, which dominates British politics, offers a richer ground for Islamists than engaging in a mass war.

Now I will engage in my little bit of fantasy: it's 2011, a charismatic Muslim leader emerges, styled as a moderate, who attempts to combat 'Islamophobia' and the 'extremists' within his community, he is feted by the Guardian, the Coexistence Trust and the BBC. Affable, presentable and a model of 'integration success', he is more Barak Obama than George Galloway. His party, helped by the 'ethnic voting' that those from the Indian Subcontient routinely engage in, win a good number of seats in the General Election.

The government court him, wanting to bring back the voters that they have lost back into the fold, and aim to concede to whatever he desires. And then the dam will have burst: Islamic schools, Mega Mosques, Islamic courts, will quickly become a daily reality of life in Britain. Perhaps, similar movements will arise in France, Sweden and Holland, too.

Britain will continue to exist, but will have become hollowed out and divided. And if, like Weston, you're looking for a Hadrianople or an Alaric outside the gates, you will not see the destruction right in front of your eyes.

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At 12:53 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that the Islamification of Europe has to be put to a stop, and the first step to this is ceasing all inward immigration. However, should the Tories loose the next election, I very much immigration will even be stunted let alone halted completely.

The real problem is the lack of any kind of strong shared national culture capable of resisting Islamification and soaking up new arrivals on our shores.

At 6:30 pm, Blogger PRCalDude said...

I don't hold out much hope for the U.S. either. If you need to emigrate and can't get permission, Michael, I'll personally smuggle you across the southern border. Good post.

At 4:15 am, Blogger PRCalDude said...


Can you undo the comment moderation? I think it would facilitate better discussion. This article has far-reaching implications that I'd like to flesh out with as many as possible.

At 4:42 pm, Blogger Michaelcd said...


The only reason I enabled comment moderation was because of spammers. As they don't seem to be bothering me anymore I will take it down now.

At 12:25 am, Blogger PRCalDude said...


I'm not quite so sure that there will be no violent reaction to the Islamification of Europe. Mark Steyn even suggested that not every European would go quietly into the night. The biggest argument in Islamist circles these days is whether to use the slow jihad (working through demographics and the political process) or the fast one (violence).

The thing is, jihadists just can't help themselves. Only those who die 'fighting in the way of Allah' are guaranteed heaven and their virgins. Those who practice slow jihad are not. Consider the Muslim mindset: life is a living hell because of sexual repression and Islamic mind control. The only guaranteed chance of heaven is through jihad. Islamic heaven is a teenage boy's and a young man's dream: virgins, young boys with 'faces like pearls' for your gay jihadist, rivers of wine, all the water you can drink. The temptation is just too great, and waiting around for 20-30 years for things to take their course isn't very exciting, is it?

No. There will be a couple of serious WMD attacks and then we'll see. If there's no reaction to a million or so people dying, then I will say that the West will not fight back under any circumstances. But I can't see the leaders of our respective countries wanting to get themselves nuked anymore than we do.

At 6:50 pm, Blogger Michaelcd said...


It is certainly true that there are plenty of wannabe Jihadis out there ready to do their bit for the 'Ummah'. These attacks will continue to 'shock' the people of Europe for the forseeable future. However, it would take a massive strike of the nature that you have mentioned before we see some sort of sea change in the Liberalism gripping much of Europe.

For me, the likelihood of an attack happening that is shocking enough to change the way that the whole of Europe deals with Islam, is decidedly slim.

My point is that if the current political system continues unabated, the 'slow jihad' doesn't even need to wait until the demographic situation changes. Instead, they can win a myriad of concessions (perhaps even de facto Islamic mini-states) through the system's obsession with 'minority rights'.

At 4:08 pm, Blogger PRCalDude said...


I say that given the ubiquity of fissile material on the black market, a massive strike is inevitable. I'm almost certain one will happen in Los Angeles as well. If they don't use a nuke, they'll use some sort of chemical agent which is easy to manufacture. An American chemist named 'Uncle Fester' has printed a manual on how to manufacture ricin, for example. The ricin formula he generated was used in the Tokyo subway attacks, but done incorrectly. I think Al Qaeda will succeed with something like that as well. They've stated they want to acquire WMDs.

Otherwise, Europe is known for big turns to the right when the elites feel threatened enough. I just hope it doesn't happen too late.

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